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Ben: There was some kind of legal angle that Johnston left that building down yonder on that Super Highway vacant and didn’t even try to rent it for 4 or 5 years.&#13;
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Bob- To me he was like a working class hero.&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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BP: Yeah&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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Bob Friedman: John Broadnax.&#13;
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BE: Yeah.&#13;
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BF: uh-uh.&#13;
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BF: Mm-hm. &#13;
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BF: He didn’t want you to play polka?&#13;
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BF: Oh, I see. &#13;
BE: And we would put John Broadnax up to it. We could play “Here comes the Navy” which was a “Beer Barrel Polka” with different words. But we could not play the “Beer Barrel Polka”! [laughter]&#13;
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BE: I doubt that there are. You know, we didn’t make picture then. &#13;
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Bob Friedman: I’m glad to hear that.  Um, I had a piece of historical information I was trying to determine and I thought you might be of help here.  Um, I know you started working at WEDR, right?&#13;
Paul 'EX' Brown: My work experience?&#13;
B: Your first radio work in Birmingham.&#13;
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B: Wow.  I remember WJOB when I lived in Gary.&#13;
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P: Huh?&#13;
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P: Yeah.&#13;
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P: Yeah.&#13;
B: Mmhmm.&#13;
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LG- And she had saved, a lot of materials, she had saved papers and things we had forgotten about. Um, &#13;
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LG- That I didn’t, I had no idea that she had that, I don’t even know who wrote it really, now um lets see, now I worked with WBCO first..&#13;
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BF- Oh great!&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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