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Jimmy Lawson: ...when 104.7, you do know that that was really the audio for a T.V. station don’t you?&#13;
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JL: That’s correct. &#13;
BF: MHHM &#13;
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JL: I’m back. &#13;
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BF: Right&#13;
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Bob Friedman: up on the mountain in the late 50s, was it still segregated, upstairs white, downstairs black? &#13;
&#13;
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B: Mhmm. Johnny Jive came in around 60'. &#13;
&#13;
L: Okay, well that's about right then.&#13;
&#13;
B: Yeah.&#13;
&#13;
L: Yeah. &#13;
&#13;
B: So, Jesse, yourself, Alma, Willy, Truman, and Truman Puckett. &#13;
&#13;
L: Uh huh. And a host of Sunday morning who were kind of regulars in a sense. &#13;
&#13;
B: Uh huh, like...was there a guy named, um, Wills?&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
B: What's a Madame Lamar commercial?&#13;
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L: Madame Lamar was one of the psychics on the Bessemer super highway. You mean, we don't have those people anymore? Well, he had a commercial, Madame Lamar, so long after he left that place, see, they'd play it once or twice a day, and then she bought two spots a day. So for years, until at least the 60s, we would play Mickey Wills' Madame Lamar. That's how I knew him.&#13;
&#13;
B: Right.&#13;
&#13;
L: But he was considered an up and comer. Uh, not  with as much potential as Roy Wood, but, when I got there, you know, he's gospel. At least the management thought he was something special. &#13;
&#13;
B: Actually, in one of Rick's tapes, there's a show of his - yeah -  and he's got this kid on the phone who's going, "Hello, Radio?", "Hello, Radio?" and people, and you don't hear the person talking on the radio, you don't hear the person. But, uh, it was striking, apparently he had some high school kids in. &#13;
&#13;
L: He was an immensely popular man, .it might have been good for JLD radio in the long run, I don't know how long he stayed there. ..Jim Connely would tell me.what a marvelous man Mickey Wills was.</text>
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&#13;
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&#13;
[Both chuckle]&#13;
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EC: And um, um…lemme see, who I can’t think of? Uh, Barron Burns.&#13;
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BF: Oh, Barron Burns.&#13;
EC: Yeah, he was there. He came there. And also Jimmy Story.&#13;
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EC: Yeah.&#13;
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BF: This is all around 1952, ’53?&#13;
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HB: Yeah&#13;
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Bob Friedman: You say you traveled around the country? &#13;
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Hobdy Moorer: Oh yes. &#13;
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BF: The country? &#13;
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HM: Kinda like driving some places…&#13;
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